Rail Road Stereoview - Editorial Party Pine Bluffs PRR
From: "F Sherfy" sherfy@sherfy.cnc.net
I thought you might like to see this stereoview ... I imagine it is one of the series you have on your site, but it is not labeled with a manufacturer or photographer name. Quite some time ago, someone wrote on the back that it is Number 496 and gave it the title of Editorial Party Pine Bluffs PRR.
—Fred Sherfy, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
posted from CPRR Discussion Group at 2:48 PM
8 Comments:
From: KyleWyatt@aol.com
Interesting photo – but I wonder which Pine Bluffs is being referred to. It doesn't seem to fit into any of the West coast photographers series I have.
—Kyle
From: "Glenn Willumson" Gwillumson@arts.ufl.edu
The photo is an interesting problem. it is reproduced in Era of Exploration (p. 43) as one of John Carbutt's stereographs of the 100th Meridian Excurison and it looks right – well-dressed excursionists scattered across the rocky bluff. But while the Era of Exploration was an important and ground-breaking exhibition and publication the text has many historical inaccuracies (such as the fact that Carbutt made over 300 stereographs of the 100th Meridian Excursion). This image is not one of carbutt's 36 published stereographs of that trip. You might take a look at William Brey's biography of Carbutt, published around 1986 I think, but if memory serves there are not many illustrations in that book.
—Glenn Willumson
From: "Don D. Snoddy" ddsnoddy@cox.net
Carbutt never got any further west than Cozad, Nebraska while this is Pine Bluff, Wyoming. The editorial excursion took place in 1868. I've never read about it sufficient to know which photographer went along, but they could easily have picked up WH Jackson or one of his staff in Omaha.
I guess I would wonder how we know it's the editorial excursison. Durant had so many going during that time.
From: "Don" ddsnoddy@cox.net
Can you get me a scan of the whole image, as well as the back with notation. I've spent quite a bit of time with these old views and might be able to help with ID.
BTW I am looking for views taken by Jackson of an excursion in 1868 of St. Louis citizens to end of track near Rock Springs, in case you may know of something like it.
From: KyleWyatt@aol.com
I thought the image looked familiar, but had forgotten the print in Era of Exploration. Thanks, Glenn. I had checked my Carbutt reference materials (both the Brey work and additional images I've printed as I found them) and nothing looks like the group of editors at Pine Bluff. There just isn't any topography to speak of in Carbutt's images. Assuming it is along the UP, I like Don Snoddy's suggestion. My refrence material on Jackson pictures up with his UP excursion in 1869 which included Promontory, so I've nothing to cross-check his earlier work.
I will say I've seen some images that struck me similarly from mountanous regions in the North East, so wouldn't absolutely rule that out. But I have no specific evidence to support that region, either.
—Kyle
From: "F Sherfy" sherfy@sherfy.cnc.net
Two more scans – the entire back and the manuscript title area.
From: "Don" ddsnoddy@cox.net
OK, so now we know the back is labeled editorial excursion. I've seen that writing before. Pretty sure it's Jackson. I'd have to check the backs of the stereo views in the UP Museum. The extra notation about Clara something 77 is quite interesting.
From: "Don" ddsnoddy@cox.net
OK, so now we know the back is labeled editorial excursion. I've seen that writing before. Pretty sure it's Jackson. I'd have to check the backs of the stereo views in the UP Museum. The extra notation about Clara something 77 is quite interesting.
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