Monday, February 14, 2005

Telegraph Insulators

Have you seen the web site on telegraph insulators, including patent dates and numbers?

Note several rams-horn insulators included in the 1860s.  

Kyle K. Wyatt
Curator of History & Technology
California State Railroad Museum

Note my work address has changed to:
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Question: Great Grandfather Charles/Clarence Leonard Cole


yes, I am looking for any info on my great grandfather Charles/Clarence Leonard Cole, he worked the railroad between 1900-1940's in Texas, Colorado and California, maybe more states too. We sure would love info or stories thanks and god bless, Amanda Cole

Original railbed from 1868 era near Nightingale, NV

From: "West Coast British"

We just located the original railbed from 1868 era near Nightingale, NV! Saw spent coal on the ground too! Too foggy for photos, but will try again next trip. MG

On Jan 25, 2005, at 7:11 PM, West Coast British wrote:

Here's our two railroad items....

Michael Green
190 Airway Blvd
Livermore, CA 94551

Hopkins Family


The photo album of the Hopkins Family has left the family hands, and is, as this is written, in NewCastle. I note with interest the name and picture of Edward Witting Hopkins, with the notation "December, 1872, Initial Stock Holder, S.P.R.R."  Does any one have a family tree of the Hopkins family, or know the relation of Edward W. Hopkins to Mark Hopkins?
Thanks, G J Chris Graves, NewCastle, Cal.

San Joaquin & Sierra Nevada locomotive colors


I realize this is tangential by virtue of the SJ&SN's later absorption into the SP, but given the preserved combination car, I think it has some significance.

I've been reading the Porter Memorandum Books and found an interesting note regarding the finish of SJ&SN mogul locomotive "Jacob Brack." The engine was large for Porter, with 12x18 cylinders, 40" drivers and 26" truck wheels. It was equipped with a 1050 gallon tank on eight 24" wheels, no injector, (although #4 Sellars 1876 is written after that) and a 16" Williams lamp. The name "Jacob Brack" was to be put on the cab panel, and the tender was to be lettered "San Joaquin & Sierra Nevada" with no abbreviation for railroad following.

Of great interest to me was the note regarding the engine's painting.

It was to be painted in "our regular style of Painting with Gilt letters &c. & Blue paint where we usually put brown in tender striping, etc.."

This is remarkable – most entries specify lettering and numbering, but very few mention painting color or style; exceptions are generally a specific request from a purchaser, such as "black with gilt" and so on. This entry not only describes a specific request - blue striping - but also offers a rare account of brown striping as "usually" used on tenders.

Photographic evidence indicates that Porter began to employ a painting style similar to that of the Pennsylvania Railroad in about 1878, which used a black or dark green ground for panels of gold and white, with "stiles" or border stripes at the top and bottom of the cistern in brown. The brown "stile" (Baldwin's term) is documented on both contemporary Baldwin drawings of PRR tenders in the Stanford painting data books, as well as large scale models of Pennsylvania engines and the 1939 PRR restoration of a 1880s PRR consolidation locomotive. I had suspected that brown would have been employed in on the Porter copy and was very happy to see it confirmed.

I am not aware of photographs showing the engine as built, but believe it would have had a tender divided up into panels with ornamental ends, of gold, possibly with a smaller cream stripe inside, and the blue stiles at top and bottom of the tank.

One question remaining is the ground color – was it dark green or black, as PRR practice, or another shade? It would be logical that whatever color was employed would be visually harmonic with blue stiles, or that Porter would have determined another ground color to suit the blue. Other requests in the Porter memorandum books for the same time period mention black with gold, with one request for red wheels. While it seems safe to assume that red wheels were not a Porter standard, the requests for black may or may not be duplicating an existing finish, and entered to record the customer's desired color.

An additional locomotive ordered from Porter by the SJ&SN, the "B.F.Langford," has no mention of blue.

The obvious connection here is to the use of blue as a ground, or body color for the preserved SJ&SN combine – its clear that someone on the railroad liked the color and was in a position to employ its use. The other interesting thing is that this is a fairly early example of a deliberate harmony of colors used on both and engine and a passenger car. I've seen other examples, but nearly all are later, from about 1902-1907, and refer to engines painted Pullman color to match their train; the earlier example is a second or third hand account that describes an entire 1840s train, engine and cars, painted pale blue, but within a vastly different period of aesthetics.

All in all, the little line must have been a sight to see.

Jim Wilke