Thursday, July 14, 2005

Question: Dating piece of cup or bowl with the seal "Southern Pacific Company-Sunset-Ogden-Shasta Routes"


We found a piece of cup or bowl with the seal "Southern Pacific Company-Sunset-Ogden-Shasta Routes"

I am curious about the date of this piece of pottery.

It was found on the grounds of Davis Monthan Air Force Base.

When did it travel through here?

Any answers would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,


Question: Hospital Associations

From: "PM Stronge"

Is there a book out there about the RR Hospital Associations (the first HMO)?

I know the following RRs had them at one time: AT&SF, IC, NP and SP.

There must be others.

Peter Stronge

[from the R&LHS Newsgroup]

Question: Umbria Jct

From: "Abram Burnett"

I notice in some of the literature that “Umbria Jct” was a location 0.2 miles west of Lucin.

Was “Umbria Jct” the official name of the junction of the new Lucin Cut Off and the Old Line via Promontory?

Which, of course, raises additional questions (… there are ALWAYS more questions!)  What was Umbria Jct 2/10 miles west of?  Perhaps the station and train order office at Lucin?  And prior to the construction of the Lucin Cut Off, what, if any, railroad facilities were at Lucin?

—Abram Burnett

"Old Railroad Grade" - Moor Summit to Pequops, NV

From: "Abram Burnett"

East of Wells, NV, the USGS topo maps identify an “Old Railroad Grade” south of the present Southern Pacific.

The west end of this identified “old grade” is at Moor Summit (Lat 41.112284N  Long 114.800378W,) and it extends at least as far east at Pequops (Lat 41.202465N  Long 114.65941W.)  (Other locations between Moor Summit and Pequops are identified, east to west, as Anthony Siding, Holborn and Fenelon.)

Does anyone know whether this is Union Pacific grading, or part of the original Central Pacific which was changed by an SP line relocation?

Which leads me to the larger question:  Has anyone made a catalog (or map !!!) of all the grade revisions of the CP done by the SP?  In today’s digitized world, that would be a relatively easy endeavor for some ambitious soul.

Finally, I guess we should ask, What happened to the title/ownership of the unused UP grading between Promontory and Wells?  But then, perhaps title was never conveyed to the UP by the US Government…?

—Abram Burnett