Re: History and construction drawings for old elevated water storage tanks
A water train is shown in Hart Stereoview #315.
Elevated water tanks, and tanks on flat car at Winnemucca Depot (Nevada) are shown in Hart Stereoview #319.
Central Pacific Railroad Photographic History Museum
A water train is shown in Hart Stereoview #315.
Elevated water tanks, and tanks on flat car at Winnemucca Depot (Nevada) are shown in Hart Stereoview #319.
Bruce C. Cooper
--- chris graves
... There is also a UPRR parallel grade that is
some 3/4
mile NORTH of Pequop
Summit that has never been explored, I could never
figure out why that grade
is/was so far off the main line.
--Kevin
--- chris graves
From: "Kevin Bunker" mikadobear45@yahoo.com
Seems to me that Randy hees ran across a Bay Area
newspaper item from May or June 1869 mentioning
that a
host of Chinese road and trackworkers had been
hurried
back to California to rush the completion of the
Western Pacific Rail Road between Stockton and
Niles
Canyon in order to open it to through passenger
trains
bound for San Francisco and Oakland ASAP.
I have seen that same article. Strobridge says the
Chinese were pulled back
at Mormon Hill, to do repairs on the line from Sacramento
to Toano. That would
lend credeance to the 4,000 workers noted by
Richardson. And, in the valley
between Independence Spring and Holburn Siding, East
of Moor, there is
evidence of a large encampment there. Broken
pottery from China is
everywhere, and the holes (dugouts) that were
inhabited by the workers are
easily seen. That site covers about 3 acres.
G J
Chris Graves, NewCastle,
Cal.
--Kevin
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Supplement,
Does anyone have information to supplement the description from the diary of Capt. John Charles Currier regarding the numbers of Chinese workers at Promontory, the numbers involved in the last portion of the CPRR construction East of Mormon Hill, and whether perhaps there was a Chinese RR worker camp at Promontory Summit prior to May 10, 1869?
J. N. Bowman writes in "Driving the Last Spike At Promontory, 1869." California Historical Society Quarterly, Vol. XXXVI, No. 2, June 1957, pp. 96-106, and Vol. XXXVI, No. 3, September 1957, pp. 263-274:
The bulk of the Chinese and other workers who had completed the line by May 1 had been shunted westward to improve certain points of the line, leaving only a few, perhaps a dozen, to do the grading, lay the ties and drive the few spikes of the west rail, lay the east rail for the ceremony, and replace the laurel tie. ...
For the military participation, the diary of Lt. J. C. Currier of Co. K was found by Miss Irene Simpson of the Wells Fargo history room in 1954 in the possession of Mrs. Harriet Currier Hale (daughter of the Lt.) of San Mateo, California, and now of Massachusetts. That portion of the diary concerning May 10 is as follows:
"We have just witnessed the laying of the last rail. Crowds began assemblying at 7 a.m. There were several thousands present and ceremonies were opened with a prayer by a minister from Mass. A covered wood tie, beautifully polished and appropriately engraved was then brought out and placed in position by the highest officials of each R.R. A spike of gold was then produced with a silver hammer. A telegraph wire was attached to the spike — at a given signal, one, two, three strokes were made with the silver hammer. The telegraph wires were so arranged that the taps were flashed to all parts of the U. S. so that eager thousands in all the great cities knew the rail was laid and the R.R. complete. Truly it was worth the trip from New Hampshire alone to see this great achievement. Two beautifully decorated engines, one of each road advanced until the guards touched — the engineers climbed out and broke a bottle of champagne across the space and shook hands. Nattie [Mrs. Currier] and I were permitted to give a stroke — I used my sword hilt. Our regiment marched up and stood at Parade rest while our pictures were taken, then our regimental band played."
A few days later the regiment arrived at the San Francisco Presidio. [See Hist. Register, U. S. Army (Washington, D. C., 1903),I, 345, for career of John Charles Currier.]
... By the time of the celebration, about 20 tents and shacks had been erected on both sides of the track but most of them on the west side. ...
See the Silvis photographs of tents and shacks at Promontory.
Capt. John Charles Currier continued his journey west on the first CPRR train and writes in his diary, the next day:
"Tuesday, May 11th, 1869 P.M.
At Humboldt Wells, Nevada Territory, 165 miles from Promontory.
We are making excellent time. There is a perceptible difference in the
running time from that of the U.P. We go faster. Our car is very fair
day cars. They are splendid, made after the latest pattern in
Springfield, Mass. We have patent brakes, ventilation etc. They look
fresh and clean, very much like the cars on the Boston and Maine
running to Portland. Our friend who went to Salt Lake joined us
yesterday. We came through several historic (to be) places last night
such as "Red Dome Pass," "Terrace Point", "Desert Passage Creek",
"Loans" etc. We are getting into sage brush and sand. What an oasis is
the Salt Lake Valley on this line. Leaving barren rocks and sterile
soil, the traveler emerges into a land flowing with milk and honey,
fertile soil, cultivated farms, [and] good houses but he flies across
this valley rapidly, like lightening, and comes out again upon a still
more barren wood and worthless soil. Upon this we are now and, as if
anxious to get over it quick, our speed is increasing. We run thirty
miles an hour with very few stops. The Centrals carry their water
along with them in immense tanks for it is very difficult to obtain
water here. The grading of this road is perfect; for the last 80 miles
we have run as smooth as a floor. The road was built by "John
Chinaman", HUNDREDS OF WHOM ARE SEEN ALONG THE ROUTE. They attract
much attention with their odd dress and cues dangling behind. They
look strange to us. But they are faithful workmen and said to be
infinitely superior to the Irish laborers. It is growing hot and
dusty; we are in the alkali and the dust sifts and blows. There is
nothing grown, nothing but miserable sage brush; not much sleep for us
tonight."
"Wednesday, May 12th, 1869
Passed a night of intense misery and discomfort. The dust was
stifling. There was very little air and the alkali came into the car
in clouds filling eyes, nose, mouth and ears. With all this we ran
like lightening at a frightful speed. Made 200 miles last night. Some
times our car, it being the rear one, would snap as if it was to whip.
Several of the officers became alarmed at our speed. On, On, we
rushed with not a stop. We are 324 [miles from] Sacramento. Oh this
alkali and sage brush! We are sick and tired of it; beats anything on
the U.P. YET "JOHN" IS ENCAMPED ALONG THE ROAD right in the sun,
apparently contented and happy. ... "
Arnold (in particular) there will need be a major revision of the Compendium/Companion in regard to the chronologies of the early SP locos. Larry Mullaly has straightened out a lot of the SF&SJ/SP/CP transitions. It turns out there just was not any of this going back and forth with locomotives as has been constructed in the past to make sense of the information that was available. Larry has gone through fairly frequent commissioners reports and company financial records at Stanford and has developed a much clearer (and cleaner) picture of what was going on. He has cast a light in a long-dark enginehouse.
SP 2-7 came from the SF&SJ upon merger into the SP in October 1870.
SP 8-11 came from the Santa Clara & Pajaro Valley upon merger into the SP in
October 1870.
SP 1 came from CP 3 in February 1871. WERE THESE ENGINES EVEN NUMBERED
BEFORE 1871?
SP 12 came from CP 97 in April 1871.
SP 13 came from CP 36 in April 1871.
SP 14 came from CP 117 in June 1872.
SP 15-19 came from CP 99, 55, 93, 135, and 142 (respectively) in June 1873.
None of these engines went back to the CP. All were still SP when numbered into the system-wide roster of 1891.
The mysteries of the SP 18 have been pretty much set to rest with Larry's discovery that the SP changed the builder of that locomotive from Rhode Island to Schenectady and then to McKay & Aldus over the course of 1876 and 1877. This slight of hand was accomplished with the flourish of a pen–probably without anyone familiar with the locomotive even being aware. When this clerical modification worked itself into the 1891 roster, the whole system ended up with one more McKay locomotive than was ever shipped to California, and Best, Diebert, Strapac, Wyatt, and myself all lost sleep trying to figure out what in the world was going on. Now, in fact, the locomotive was modified between 1884 and 1891, perhaps ending up as a 4-4-2T like the CP 40-43 group--but without a photo or better documentation, we just don't know.
None of this modifies my previous question about the renaming of those three SF&SJ engines. It is just offered as background to help exlain what you are seeing in Best and D&S.
Wendell
The second choice of names is curious, but the scattershot practice seems also used on the renamed California Central engines, so maybe there was a weird enui going on at the time. In contrast, the Sac Valley is very predictable and fits into established engine naming patterns.
Pacific and San Mateo are place names, one associated with the region and larger transcon concept, the other a specific community on the line. No big deal. Comanche is the wild card, being romantic, dangerous and non regional. A name like this usually would have some pertinant value, similar to the CC's Garibaldi, named for the then popular hero of Italian unification. Garibaldi was all over the news in 1859 and 60, and Comanche might draw from similar newsworthyness - the Indian Wars were getting hard and fierce in '64-'65.
Typically engines named on groups, whether in an order for new engines or during a renaming, tended to be named in similar, associative ways - series names. The UPRY-ED had a Comanche, also an Osage, Kaw and Piute, named according to the contractor's practice of naming engines for native Americans. The CC's original names Northerner, Southerner, etc., also reflect this, as do the CP's Atlantic and Pacific (destination oceans), Juno, Sultana and Diana (fabulous women), Rambler, Rover, Rusher, etc. The diversity of names on the CP reflects the requirements of a large roster, but it does adhere reasonably well to series names within the groups.
If the SF&SJ engines were renamed all at once, it would have been typical for them to gain new series names, but they dont, and the larger thematic concept of Pacific compared to the local San Mateo is then thrown completely off by Comanche. And why were they renamed anyway? It would be logical for the CP to do so, but for the SF&SJ to do this, and on engines named for individuals within its own firm, is curious. Did they drop out of the company structure, or was it politically advisable to lay low? This might indicate whether the engines were renamed at the same time, or at different times, which would theoretically be more consistant with the individualistic names.
I'd love to have dropped in on the discussion regarding naming an engine Comanche.
JIm
Judge Timothy Dame was president of the SF&SJ formed in 1860, while Alexander H. Houston and Charles McLaughlin were the contractors who built the railroad. In 1865 all three were involved in the Western Pacific RR together.
Kneiss said that these engines were renamed "Pacific", "Comanche" and "San Mateo".
I have always assumed these locomotives were renamed when the SF&SJ was taken over by the Huntington-Hopkins-Stanford-Crockers ring in September 1870. These locomotives became SP 3, 4, and 5 in October 1870. However, the roster contained in the 9 February 1866 railroad commissioners' report lists these locomotives by their later names: "Pacific", "Comanche", and "San Mateo". Clearly the names were changed at least four years before the end of the SF&SJ's independence.
Do any of you have any additional information about the chronology of the renaming of these engines?
For what it's worth, Alexander H. Houston was also a contractor on the California Central and died in Honolulu in 1869. Charles B. McLaughlin was general superintendent of the California Stage Company before becoming involved with railroad construction. He was shot and killed in his office in San Francisco in 1883 by Jerome B. Cox. Cox (along with Jackson R. Myers) had been a sub contractor on the WP and had become increasingly exasperated in trying to collect settlement for that work. (This is one of the few CPRR-world murders I have become aware of.) I really know nothing about Dame (but you've got to wonder what guys called his daughter/s).
As revealed by the February 1866 roster (cited above), the renaming of the locomotives occurred well before the CP took over the WP in June 1867.
Wendell.
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